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Started by JMendes, October 01, 2002, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: Mike HolmesWhat about the even more problematic ones like Immersion <...>
QuotePoetics of immersionThree forms of textual immersion are distinguished and discussed in two chapters. 1. Spatial: the reader develops a sense of place, a sense of being on the scene of the narrated events. 2.Temporal : the experience of a reader caught up in narrative suspense, the burning desire to know what happens next. 3. Emotional : the phenomenon of developing a personal attachment to the characters, of participating in their human experience. Narrative techniques are evaluated in terms of their ability to promote these various types of immersion, and immersivity is shown to be more important to the effect of literary realism than the life-likeness of the fictional world.
Quote from: Ron Edwards2) As #1 but with a very strong Explorative (imaginative) element of identification, such that the role-player is feeling very much as the character feels.
Quote from: WartQuote from: Ron Edwards2) As #1 but with a very strong Explorative (imaginative) element of identification, such that the role-player is feeling very much as the character feels.This seems closest to what many people speak of as immersion - especially that state called "deep immersion", where this identification is so strong that OOC concerns are not only ignored - they're driven right out of the player's mind, and that extra-deep form of immersion where (it is claimed by those who believe in it) the player's thoughts and character's thoughts are one (with the occasional obvious exception - the character isn't thinking about dierolling!). So I'd be inclined to give the "immersion" label to this one, if any.
Quote from: Marco[ Incoherent wouldn't be my word of choice for anything non-pejorative having to do with a document. It's fine for light. Fine for sound. Not good for attempts at communication. ]
Quote from: Ron Edwards1) Just as you describe, which is pretty close to what I call Actor Stance in my essay.2) As #1 but with a very strong Explorative (imaginative) element of identification, such that the role-player is feeling very much as the character feels.
Quote3) A strong commitment to the imaginative content of play in any fashion at all, including goals of play or in-or-out of character, or whatever.
Quote4) Being emotionally engaged and excited by play of whatever description that person most enjoys.
Quote from: contracycleIf I were given free reign, my description of Immersion would be: a trance state which essentially places the subject into a suggestible fram of mind.
Quote from: Ron EdwardsI'm not sure I'm making my point in this thread, so far. It is that we can all arrive at a happy ten-man consensus about the definition of "immersion" and it wouldn't matter. A person who defines it as my #4 is not going to budge; to him, we would be wrong, deluded, and very probably bad role-players. He then excludes himself from any discussion with such unsuitable characters (and perceives himself as excluded by us, incidentally).