Getting a Game Ready for Release
was_fired:
I've been working on TOCC for about two years now and I'm getting ready to try to market it and have it branch out beyond just my small group of players. Now I'm not interested in selling it and making money in the process. I have a feeling that getting it published and trying to network would end up costing me more than I could ever hope to make with it so all I want to do is give it away. The problem is the PDF is nearly two hundred pages without any artwork and no one wants to read that much crunch. Likewise the learning curve for the game has proven rather steep which is why I've been trying to provide more help for new players in the rules which further increases the PDFs length. I've also been working on trying to get at least some artwork for the game (in particular a cover from my artistic players) but I don't know if that'll end up panning out.
When I was first sent here from the rpg.net developer board I had hoped to just scope the place out and post once I had a finished version of the game ready, but as I've been cleaning up my beta version I realized that without feedback odds are I would just have to put out a new patch shortly after the release and that would be a bad thing. So anyone who is interested in taking a look at my game (and its monsters) can feel free to look at it here: http://www.bluwiki.com/go/TOCC. This has a link to the beta version of the rules.
Now why did I post here you ask? Well I was hoping for advice about how to make it more readable, marketable, and engaging. As of yet no one who hasn't played and read the rules over expressed much of an interest in trying the game out. Now in part this is because I don't like the idea of including a setting in the rules (I see the two as separate entities) but I also think that it's because the rules aren't fun to read and the monsters don't really engage people. So umm advice please, and hello?
Eero Tuovinen:
Hello and welcome and all that!
First, without actually looking at your game: in my experience it just might be the best strategy to go for demonstrations if you're trying to market a free game and don't want to turn it into a for-pay product. It is difficult to get interest for free stuff, psychologically speaking; people don't commit to playing it as easily as something they've bought. This is best off-set by going into a convention and playing with crazy amounts of people, giving out little cards with the url of your game in them. If your game is any good, the demo audiences will remember; perhaps they will also write actual play reports, which will garner even more publicity and interest.
Second, a surface-glance at the game rules tells me that it is indeed long, resembles D&D (3rd edition, specifically) and has no immediately discernible purpose. Don't take this wrong, but I for one am a bit busy right now to spend several hours looking through the game. So help me out, instead: what is the basic idea of your game? Why is it different from D&D? Why should anybody be interested in it? Just writing a D&D replacement is something we've pretty much everybody done, so there's nothing wrong with it, but I can't say that I'm surprised if there are few who'd care enough to playtest it.
So my first suggestion is for you to figure out what are the needs your game fulfills and put them front and center, so that a person who looks at the rules will find an immediate promise instead of more of the same old stuff. That will help the game feel interesting more than a thousand pictures. Now, it might very well be that you don't have anything specific in mind in this regard (that is often the case when I encounter a game like this), but then, an experienced roleplaying audience might be the wrong one for you to begin with: we've all seen a score of D&D variants at minimum, and have probably made our own, so just another one of those simply isn't going to be interesting. I'm pretty serious when I try to help people here at the Forge, but even then I find my motivation lagging at the thought of slogging through 200 pages of fantasy adventure rules without even a promise of something different.
was_fired:
Heh you hit the root of the problem right from the start. Now to answer your questions:
1. What is the basic idea of your game? A D&D replacement that allows for more cinematic combat, faster play, and has fewer annoying kinks to it.
2. Why is it different from D&D? While it started off as a simple D&D replacement two years ago its grown into something far more unique. The game flat out admit that characters are superhuman rather than shying away from the idea and it has no built in system of morality. The classes are far looser than in D&D to the point where you can have five people all playing the same class and have each and every one of their characters fill a different niche. Magical items aren't an ingrained part of the system like D&D and loot is by no means required. The last big one is that there are a plethora of out of turn defenses that characters can use so players remain engaged in combat even when it isn't their turn without slowing the game down.
3. Why should anybody be interested in it? It allows for a more epic playing style than D&D and avoids D&D's exponential power curve. It also gives the GM even greater flexibility than D&D since the system can scale to deal with any level of magical items without requiring any real leg work on the part of the GM.
I know D&D variants are about as popular as foot fungus and nearly as common so I would like to thank you for at least giving my game a quick glance even if you feel compelled to give it a more in depth read through. I doubt I will be able to work out the convention marketing method since I've never been a big con person and even more than that I'm not a very impressive GM. I wrote TOCC to bring myself up to level with other better GMs, but as a system designer now I really want to see what it can do in the hands of a true master.
Ron Edwards:
Hi there,
I'm not sure I understand the final line of your post. No one at the Forge will take over the play-design or the physical design of your game. That stays with you.
Here's my suggestion: write a new document from scratch. This new document would be much like an instruction manual for a card game or board game. It would contain references to more detailed stuff to look up in the existing document. A person could read it all the way through and get a very strong idea of how to play the game, what constitutes "success" in playing it, and what it's for.
I am not describing a "what is role-playing" essay. The document presumes that a role-player is reading it. When I say "what it's for," I mean literally that, for someone who role-plays and knows how. The document is about your game, and how to do it, in terms of people's tasks and interactions - not in terms of mechanical resolution.
Again, think instructionally. What actually has to happen first, no matter what? If you were going to play, what would you have to do first? When you have other people gathering to play, what must they do first? Then what second? Lay it out in steps, without explaining anything like how to hit a goblin or whatever. All such procedural details should be treated as pointers to the big document.
In my experience, such documents are rarely more than about fifteen pages. Once you have that ready, or at least in draft, then put some inspirational text in as well, at the beginning. This would not be faux-fiction. This is, instead, the answer to Eero's question, "why not just play D&D," but stated fully in the positive rather than slamming on D&D.
Once you have this together, then and only then is it worth discussing all the means of posting and publishing your game, getting some art, and so on. If you don't get this together, then all you have is a million pages of your own D&D-ish campaign notes. People have published "games" of that kind, and you're right, they don't work. They're piles of kibble, no matter how good your game experience was and no matter how much fun you and your friends had.
Best, Ron
was_fired:
Hmm... I think I can see what you're getting at so I'll see what I can do. I don't think I'll be able to put anything out for a few days. Many thanks for the advice. :)
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