Things that just ARE plain taboo, as far as RPGs are concerned
Clinton R. Nixon:
Hey, everyone,
I'm not Ron, and I'm not a content moderator, but I know the Forge, and I'm not sure it's the place to have a discussion about what content should or should not be in a roleplaying game outside of the context of actually playing or designing a game. Inside that context, of course it's the place.
Anyway, I don't want to shut down your conversation: you guys are touching on interesting issues. Could I ask the favor, though, that you guys think about it and ponder, at least until Ron comes around and gives the thread a nod?
Thanks,
Clinton
Velcanthus:
Quote from: Axe4Eye link=topic=25819.msg#msg date=
Censorship sucks, not only because of what it actually is, but also because it only concentrates the object of censorship and strengthens it. Why do we fight for the freedom to buy pornography and say dirty words, but care nothing about the freedom to go in a public place without being watched or have a cell phone conversation without being listened to...We SHOULD censor ourselves every day. It's called self control and cool people do it! It's better than Big Brother doing it for us.
I'm finding it very hard to unravel your meaning, here.
I'm against censorship, at least with something as harmless as this. I'm against eavesdropping or surveillance where it happens without due cause. Is there some connection between these two things?
Ron Edwards:
Hello, I'm moderating now.
1. It's a busy moment and I won't have time to write out everything. So the temporary moderation is to say, no more posting here until I post again. This isn't aimed at any content of the post, it's just a function of me wanting to moderate just right. There's no rush, right?
2. Everyone should consider that the Forge is not an opinions site. This applies both to initial thread topics and to replies. That doesn't mean that the current discussion cannot continue, but I will revise the topic a little when I do the real moderation. I expect that to happen in mid-morning tomorrow (Monday, U.S. CST).
Best, Ron
whoknowswhynot:
Censorship enforced by big brother is the risk we take by not censoring ourselves. The comment about surveillance was simply to point out our priorities...argument against censorship is used by some only as an excuse to be more disrespectful and nothing more. It's not about politics and it's not about freedom, it's about not having any concern for other people's feelings. We worry about our freedom to be disrespectful, all the while other more pressing issues (in my opinion) like surveillance and torture are skimmed over or completely ignored. A game featuring this subject matter is fine, but if we continually push the envelope, we will eventually have our freedom taken away permanently.
Willow:
Hey Grinning Moon-
If a bunch of hentai fans are together watching a hentai movie or playing a hentai game, what's it to you? (Whether they're masturbating or not.) They're getting turned on, and having a good time, so good on then.
That said, I probably wouldn't want to play a hentai game or watch a hentai movie, so I don't support them with my time or money. But I support someone's right to express their ideas, which is a strong value of the independent press movement- make the game about what you want, the way you want to do it.
Everyone has a comfort zone for just about everything. Some people won't want any romantic attachments at all in their games, and others will gleefully want characters to rape and get raped. Like Euro suggested, best way to deal with this is to talk about it. (Sex and Sorcerer is perhaps the definitive text on techniques for supporting this in roleplay.)
Not my thing? Yes. Just plain taboo? No.
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