[Go Play Peoria][Dirty Secrets] A simple plan….
GreatWolf:
Quote from: Nev the Deranged on February 27, 2008, 02:48:50 PM
Alright, admission time.
I made Tanya and Juan hackers specifically to play against stereotype. So, in that sense, the demographics did play a part.
Well then, there you go. *grin*
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I was totally stunned when you guys had Tanya shoot the federal agent, that caught me off guard.
Honestly, it caught me off-guard, too, and it was my idea!
Here's the thing. I came into the game, thinking that Tanya was the poor victim. Yes, I know that the game can totally twist a character, but that was my "working theory" of the case: Tanya is essentially innocent.
But then, during the scene where Harry was grilling Ron over the headset that Harry had found, you started narrating Tanya preparing to bug out. At the time, I thought, "Hey that's cool. Extra color and all that." But then, it occurred to me, "No, she's bailing because she knows more than she's letting on." Then, as I recall, Tim narrated her pulling the gun as part of the conflict that was in process. Then Tim had that one point of Violence to use.... Everything followed fairly quickly after that.
So, that turn of the character wasn't any one person pulling on the reins. Rather, it was an emergent result of the actions of at least three different players (you, me, and Tim). I think that's really cool.
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And if everyone else hadn't already been bastards by the time Consuela came in, I would have done my damnedest to make her an agent of the Russian Mafia.
Yeah, I know. But, oddly enough, the way the story was going, despite all the protesting that we were doing at the time, it probably would have made perfect sense, given the information theft and all that.
Nev the Deranged:
Quote from: GreatWolf on February 27, 2008, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: Nev the Deranged on February 27, 2008, 02:48:50 PM
I was totally stunned when you guys had Tanya shoot the federal agent, that caught me off guard.
Honestly, it caught me off-guard, too, and it was my idea!
Here's the thing. I came into the game, thinking that Tanya was the poor victim. Yes, I know that the game can totally twist a character, but that was my "working theory" of the case: Tanya is essentially innocent.
But then, during the scene where Harry was grilling Ron over the headset that Harry had found, you started narrating Tanya preparing to bug out. At the time, I thought, "Hey that's cool. Extra color and all that." But then, it occurred to me, "No, she's bailing because she knows more than she's letting on." Then, as I recall, Tim narrated her pulling the gun as part of the conflict that was in process. Then Tim had that one point of Violence to use.... Everything followed fairly quickly after that.
So, that turn of the character wasn't any one person pulling on the reins. Rather, it was an emergent result of the actions of at least three different players (you, me, and Tim). I think that's really cool.
Yeah, it was pretty much my intention that she suddenly start to panic because she realized the shit was suddenly getting much deeper. I was planning to have her flee, only to get caught on the way out, to give Harry someone to rescue (frankly, I felt like he needed redeeming with some kind of heroic action). When she pulled the gun, I was like "woah, she's gonna force Harry to drive her from the scene at gunpoint", which technically she did, although in my mind it was going to be more of a desperate gambit rather than a matter of her being a stone cold killer. I guess it turned out to be a little of both.
The Ron+Tanya thing totally came out of nowhere though, seriously. And in retrospect, that really takes a hammer to the subtext of several scenes that came before that revelation.
I forget, was that the result of one of the specific "discover a crazy relationship" scenes, or did it just kind of come up?
GreatWolf:
Quote from: Nev the Deranged on February 28, 2008, 03:51:28 PM
The Ron+Tanya thing totally came out of nowhere though, seriously. And in retrospect, that really takes a hammer to the subtext of several scenes that came before that revelation.
I forget, was that the result of one of the specific "discover a crazy relationship" scenes, or did it just kind of come up?
It was a combination, as I recall. Tim introduced the idea that Tanya and Ron knew each other, then, immediately following, we discovered a "business relationship" between Juan and Tanya. We said that this meant that Tanya had lied about their being in a relationship. I think this was when Ron+Tanya was created.
And, what do you mean about "takes a hammer to the subtext of several scenes that came before that revelation"? As in, "completely destroyed"? Or as in "completely twisted into a shape due to this perspective"?
Raquel:
Quote from: GreatWolf on February 26, 2008, 06:06:37 PM
It's probably not much of a stretch to begin analyzing Tanya's relationship with Ron as being connected to her understanding of her relationship with Harry. Ron was obviously a bad influence. Harry...well, that depends on what you think of him. Was he actually good for Tanya?
On some reflection, I would guess that Harry was actually the best influence in Tanya's life. Not that there's much competition... But it seems reasonable to guess that he was her only real adult role model as a teenager. She trusted him, and as a mentor he was probably at least a generic good influence--until he dropped out of her life altogether, that is...
As I recall the Ron+Tanya discovery hinged mostly on Consuela confusing the names Ron and Juan.
Ron Edwards:
Who can blame her?
I was playing something else at another table, and some of the dialogue floated over every so often. After a bit, I was wondering, "What, all the characters have the same name?", and "Isn't there more than one character in Dirty Secrets?" Only afterwards did I discover your rhyming scheme. That's actually why I came up and asked what happened during the game.
Best, Ron
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