CRN Games Forum now Inactive?
shadowcourt:
I noticed someone posted something about this on the CRN Games forum itself, but I figured it might not get to the appropriate individuals' notice if it was only there.
The CRN Games forum is now listed under the Inactive Forums category? Is this an error? Clinton, is there something we should know?
Thanks,
-shadowcourt (aka josh)
Moreno R.:
I checked his public blogs, and he deleted both of them (destroying all the articles and discussion they contained), so I suppose this was done at his request.
As far as know, this is the first time a very active indie game sub-forum is moved to the inactive file (In all the previous cases I recall, the forums were seldom used anymore, of there was another external forum about the game to move on, or the game wasn't "indie" anymore, like TROS or Heroquest.)
It's not like there was the prerequisite of the author (or publisher's) presence in the sub-forum activity: the Heroquest sub-forum was hosted for years without any involvement from Issaries or Greg Stafford. So, if the site policy didn't change in the interim, the CNR games sub-forum could have still still worked in the same way, even without Clinton's presence. So, why the move to the inactive section? And what does it mean for the discussion about Clinton's games at the Forge?
Ron Edwards:
Hello,
The site policy is that a publisher of an independent game can have a forum here on request, subject to a few reasonable criteria (i.e, they actually have at least one game, a few other things described in previous threads). How does that translate to removing a forum? It's easy: just request that too.
This has been done quite a bit, for any number of reasons. In most cases of inactivity or a shift to a non-independent publishing mode, we removed a forum after discussion with the publisher, not as a unilateral or immediate consequence. That applies to Issaries and TROS, among others. Once, a publisher decided that the Forge was not a good place and had his forum removed, then changed his mind later and had it put back.
I think there has been only one contentious removal, in which I wasn't involved. The authority over the decison in such a case rests with the non-me partner, who was Clinton for most of the Forge's history and is now Vincent. There has been no instance of someone wanting his or her forum removed and us saying no, we're keeping it, and I can't imagine such a thing happening.
So there isn't any need to try to deduce some hidden reason or complex policy by comparing usage or participation across different forums. Typically, the publisher tells us to have it removed, or agrees with us when we say "it doesn't look like you're interested," or "it doesn't fit with our definition of independent any more," and that's that.
Best, Ron
oliof:
Should further/future discussion about games by CRN games go to the inactive forum? Or should we find other places to discuss, let's say, TSOY, which is getting quite some buzz from various people?
Let me conclude this posting by saying
Thanks Clinton, for some great games! Hopefully, we'll see you back again some time.
Ron Edwards:
Well, posting should be disabled for all Inactive forums. If it isn't for some reason, that should be repaired soon.
There is no stricture against posting about any independent games at the Forge, and none on any games for the Actual Play forum. So any eligible discussion of TSOY in any of the forums, consistent with that forum's purpose, remains just as it was. That's the same for any game: Orkworld, TROS, HeroQuest, et cetera, all are still candidates for active discussion. "Inactive" does not mean "in the doghouse," "punished," "out of favor," or anything of the kind.
Best, Ron
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