Perception and mind sensing
Ron Edwards:
Hi Trevis,
You're right and I'm wrong. Perception isn't supposed to be about telepathy. I owe you an explanation for how to deal with thought-communication or mind-scans and that sort of thing in a Sorcerer context.
However, as far as I can tell, though, that isn't relevant to your doppelganger concept, which is what I'd like to work with right now. You don't need the telepathic solution; the real solution is a lot easier.
Basically, define the demon as Passing as that person, with a suitable Cover (probably the same as the person's Cover) and you'll be fine. I am assuming here that such a concept is consistent with how you're conceiving of sorcery and demons in this game - both Passing and a strong odor of deceit should be understood among everyone playing as common elements. As long as that's in play, then the description of the Cover ability (which, you're right, is stated as a general rather than specific thing) can be tuned toward this end. Using prior knowledge that the person has can be handled as a basic Lore roll, i.e., don't explain it, but there's still a chance to fail.
There will be certain consequences. For instance, the demon won't be able to pass as anyone except this person, and may well think that it is the person.
I hope that helps!
Best, Ron
angelfromanotherpin:
I use Passer (specific character name) for fetches in my games.
angelfromanotherpin:
Oops, meant Cover (specific character name).
Trevis Martin:
Interesting and unexpected.
I admit that I never thought of simply defining the passing demon as passing as that particular person. I always thought of passing demons as demons that pass as a general class of something, i.e. this demon passes for human, cat or whatever. There isn't anything in the rules against defining a passer as passing as a particular individual rather than a class. That seems to be something that consistently throws me with Sorcerer. I consider what the text says you can do, but I have a harder time considering what the text doesn't say you can't do, if that makes sense (And, I'll admit that tendency probably comes from personal gaming experience baggage). It's disconcerting because it's like having solid walls that you are leaning against suddenly disappear.
So to follow up: Quote from: Ron Edwards on December 13, 2008, 01:16:27 PM
I owe you an explanation for how to deal with thought-communication or mind-scans and that sort of thing in a Sorcerer context.
What about dealing with thought-communication or mind scanning and that sort of thing in Sorcerer? Perception would seem to be the candidate Demon ability, but it specifically says no in the text.
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