Mental powers (reply to Trevis' inquiry)
Ron Edwards:
Whoops, I missed the followup.
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It doesn't matter in your example who is the PC and who is the NPC right? Any combination would be the same.
That's correct.
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Exception: If the NPC is a demon it MUST follow the command unless it wins a Will vs Will roll.
Umm ... in practice, yes. Technically the demon can be played as any NPC and disobey, but it would have significant consequences for the Binding strength, and certainly is not an action a demon might do out of sheer cussedness. It'd be a major step on that road to rebellion described in Chapter 5 in the core book.
So, in practice, play demons to obey such commands even in surprising situations (e.g. Bob tells Joe's demon to stop attacking him, i.e. Bob), and save the disobedience for really really important master-demon relationship calls.
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Does that only apply to commands from the demon's master or any sorcerer/demon interaction?
Any, as I implied above. Yes, another sorcerer is a big risk to a sorcerer ... because the second sorcerer's demons automatically consider the new sorcerer to be a potential authority figure. (This ties directly into the rules for recognizing Telltales, sorcerer-sorcerer, demon-sorcerer, sorcerer-demon. Christopher, I hope you're reading this.)
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My understanding is that if the Master gives a command and the demon loses it must obey, if it's not the demon's master the demon can disobey with rollover penalties just like any NPC.
That's too binary. The "can disobey" applies to all demons at all times. But as I wrote above, when GMing, it's best merely to forget that except for extraordinary situations. So the opposite actually applies in practice: any sorcerer may command any demon to do anything, at any time.
Binding means nothing except as a modifier, in which case who the binder is does matter. If Bob has Bound his demon at a strength of 3 (doesn't matter which way it went), then when Sam tells Bob's demon to kiss his (Sam's) ass, and this is clearly expressly not what Bob and his demon are up to doing at the moment, then the demon gets +3 dice to resist. On the other hand, if Bob tells his own demon to kiss his (Bob's) ass, then the demon either has -3 or +3 to the Will score to resist, depending on which way the Binding went.
Best, Ron
P.S. Editing this in: I thought of another way to put it. When we talk about whether the demon will exercise the "screw your order, I take the penalty" option against a command, then it's very likely to occur against a master it's unhappy with - but no one else, regardless of who it is, as long as it's a sorcerer, and what the command might be.
Christoph Boeckle:
Great thread, answers some questions I had too.
Trevis Martin:
Just wanted to acknowledge the thread. Thanks Ron, that clears it up for me.
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