How to address the following play example
The Magus:
Quote from: Ron Edwards on August 24, 2009, 09:44:42 AM
Rather than explain your hypothetical example, please provide an instance of play which helps to raise your question. Otherwise you're not according to the forum's rules and I'll have to close the thread.
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Jumanji83:
Though the revelation of Vader as Luke's father is very interesting, I think it's just part of the whole situation.
The whole movie seems to have been set up to push Luke towards the Dark Side.
It is foreshadowed by Yoda, who first refuses to train him : too old, too reckless. Later, when KLuke gets a vision of his friends in danger, he decides to go and save them, in spite of Yoda and Obi-Wan's warning.
And if you add in there how in the prequel, you had the same buildup for Anakin (too old for training, too reckless, getting a vision of Padmé in danger).
So now you have Luke fighting a losing battle against Vader, loosing his hand and his weapon. He's basically at his mercy. Vader tells him he's his father, and asks him to join his side.
Luke's decision is what's interesting here. His back against the wall, his only chance of survival is to go with Vader. It's perfectly justifiable. He could tell himself he's only going to be pretending. Breaking the Sith from the inside.
But in his heart he knows Yoda was right. If he goes this way, he'll be lost, like his father before him. And so he commits the ultimate sacrifice. He jumps to his doom.
And miraculously survives. Which is irrelevant to the discussion. What's important is that it would have been just as interesting if he would have taken Vader's hand. As long as this decision stays clearly in the player's hand, the GM can decide that Vader is Luke's father.
FredGarber:
This play example also assumes that Vader is a GM-controlled Antagonist NPC, instead of another player.
-Fred
Ron Edwards:
Stop, guys. Examples like these aren't actual play and it shows. There is absolutely no way to map content to play from the content alone.
Piers has begun a new thread to address his point more clearly. This thread is now closed to posting.
Best, Ron
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