[IaWA] What is the scope of resolution
Brand_Robins:
Sounds pretty good to me.
The thing that starts the conflict is just what starts it. Where it ends no one knows!
stefoid:
Hmm, I dont get these replies. My reading says:
at the end of round 1 or 2, either: someone wins outright, the looser of the round can attempt to negotiate, or the conflict continues with someone at an advantageat the end of the third round: someone wins outrightwhen someone wins, you exhaust, injure or negotiate
Maybe the rules are incomplete, but it seems to me that the looser doesn't ever have to concede that the ring is eaten -- they can insist that they themselves are exhausted or injured (winner chooses which) as an alternative. It just depends on how badly they want the ring to remain uneaten. go to page 18.
jburneko:
Quote from: RPL on February 22, 2010, 06:01:16 AM
Soldier Player (SP): “I close my fist around the ring and look into the eyes of demon saying ‘You want this? Come and get it.”
Demon Player (DP): “Ok I go get for it.”
This, here, is what is causing the confusion. The DP hasn't given us enough information to use the mechanics correctly. WHAT exactly is he doing it to "go get it"? It's at this point BEFORE the die roll that he has to say, "I bite your hand off and swallow the ring."
THEN you roll dice. If the DP wins then the SP is the one who has narrate and the thing he has to do is "admit the Challengers action" which means he has to acknowledge that his hand has been bitten off and the ring swallowed.
If the ring was all you cared about then stop here. In fact you're also done with Negotiation. You've lost your hand and the ring is swallowed. If that's all anyone cared about it's over and decided.
This is one of the most common mistakes in playing IAWA. There are no "stakes." What ever tension begins the conflict might very well be resolved with the first roll. The question is, what happens next?
Jesse
stefoid:
Hmm, maybe you are right in that it does also say in the example on page 15 : (emphasis mine)
"My answer:
The third round is different from the first two. ?e
middle drops out of the outcomes. Now, If I match
or beat your roll, Mekha and I win absolutely; if my
roll falls short, you and Amek win absolutely. No
series of rolls goes past the third round.
I roll my dice, including the advantage die. I roll ...
crap. A 2+5=7 and a 1.
So my answer has to admit your character’s
action, more or less in full. “You hack me and I fall
in the sand.”
Consequences:
The winner exhausts the loser. Mekha’s worn out,
and I knock a die size off of his directly and his
with violence, both...
Or else, the winner injures the loser. Mekha’s
wounded, and I knock a die size off his covertly
and his for others, both...
Or else, we negotiate and agree to some other
consequence we both prefer."
I find the rules murky at this point. I mean, lets say the demon intends to snatch the ring from the finger rather than bite the hand off, and he wisn the conflict. So he DOES get the ring? AND the looser is exhuasted or injured or negotiates? Or does he only get the ring if he negotiates to get the ring, otherwise the hobbit is prepared to get injured or exhuasted preventing the ring from being snatched?
I think the author needs to answer this, because it depends on what his intentions were with conflict resolution - i.e. is it possible for a character sacrifice in order to ensure that something doesnt happen? (and the rules need to be clarified in the next release, regardless)
lumpley:
RPL: You're good with the answers so far? I am, I'm diggin' em.
Oh but everybody, one point nobody's said: supposing that the ring isn't on anybody's sheet as a particular strength, it belongs to the GM. The demon can swallow it, but the GM gets to decide whether it's destroyed thereby. The GM can even make it up as a quick NPC and roll dice on its behalf against the demon, if that's what's called for.
Stefoid: "More or less in full" is crucial. As loser, you can sacrifice yourself to keep the ring only if you're able to keep hold of the ring while admitting the demon's action more or less in full. I don't guarantee that you'll be able to, and you can't insist that you can or should be able to; you just have to actually be able to do it. At the end of the last answer of the action sequence, wherever the ring is, that's where it will be at the beginning of negotiation. If nobody negotiates otherwise, that's still where it will be at the beginning of subsequent free play. Of course, right? Nothing by default un-swallows that ring; only a challenge, answer, or negotiation can do it.
So, the demon swallows the ring as its last challenge. Because of circumstances, momentum, and fictional details, the hobbit can't admit the demon's action but yet keep hold of the ring, right? Going into negotiation, the ring is in the demon's stomach and the demon's player holds the stick, so yeah, the demon keeps the ring AND gets to exhaust or injure the hobbit. Sucks for the hobbit.
-Vincent
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