In-Fiction Sexual Exploitation: blarrrrgh
FetusCommander:
What I mean is: what if the game provided some way you could have negated his attack? Would you still have felt as bad about him/Earwig making the attempt, or is there some part of you that's upset about the arbitrariness of a dice role determining that your character's fiction was violated?
People do to a certain extent make the fiction, but in some games, the dice can take it into different directions. From what you posted though, that doesn't seem to be an issue.
CedricP:
Come on, striping down a female character is not about wanting to bring interesting by pushing someone else comfort zone.
The one time I have witnessed this kind of abuse was in a old AD&D game were a character played by a male raped a female character also played by a male.
What I remember:
The player playing the male character was a good friend of the GM.
He was not a regular player and the GM was often indulging him because he was "just his buddy who want some fun playing the game".
When this friend was not at the table the GM was more involved with our group and the game.
The player playing the female character was the cousin of the GM, who often the GM dint take seriously or was joking about him.
The GM buddy wanted to have "some fun" with his character while casually resolving the adventure.
The GM cousin was really involved in the adventure and wanted to enjoy some character immersion in the "story".
The GM buddy was playing a trouble maker character and the GM cousin was playing a good natured well intentioned female druid.
The two characters where often in conflict with each other because of this.
The GM buddy character raped the cousin character while she was under a enchanted sleep.
It was a "take this" moment for him. Like if he was scoring again the other player.
I think we forced ourself to play a scene or two after this and the game crashed. We dint play again together.
I think that the GM let it pass because of his attitude toward his buddy and because of his attitude toward his cousin.
I also think that the GM buddy felt free to do this because of his relation with the GM.
Note, in this game playing a female character dint bring any social advantage, the GM dint really acknowledge the character gender, and maybe he was also taking female character less seriously.
The only other case I remember, was also a old AD&D game where one player was talking about raping a elven maiden played by a male because the character was a virgin and had a unicorn companion. It was move aimed toward the other player to strip him of his unicorn companion. In this case, yeah the female character had a direct in-game advantage because she was a female (and a virgin). But I think that there was also some conflict between those two players. Again about difference in playing agenda.
CedricP:
(sorry I am still new to the "no edit" feature, some words are missing in my post)
CedricP:
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Come on, striping down a female character is not about wanting to bring interesting by pushing someone else comfort zone.
Should read: Come on, in this case, bullying by forcing a female character to strip down is not about wanting to be interesting by pushing someone else outside his comfort zone.
Lance D. Allen:
Game rules can never, ever solve social problems. This is true even if the player who is the social problem will always follow the game rules. If they're just a dick, they're going to find loopholes to exploit. The game rules, in these cases, actually give their dickery a veneer of validity, because they can point to the rules that they have, in fact, followed and say "See! I'm not doing anything wrong!" If the problem player is unintentionally disruptive, game rules can help, but only with the social sanctions and reinforcement that follows from their improved behavior.
The real power to fix social problems lies in the people, not the text. If the GM, perceived as an authority figure were to say "uh, no," at the proposed action, then it probably would have never happened. If the other players were like "dude, seriously? That's dumb." or even "Superheroes working together wouldn't do that. It'd bust up the team!" it would have brought to bear the disapproval of the rest of the group on the action. At which point it either becomes openly an issue of dickery, or the dude would most likely back down, probably with a "I was just trying to be funny. Geez!" or some similar thing.
However, the situation here was difficult, because no one seemed to be certain of the rules, including the person assumed to have authority... Either that, or he was okay with it. Hence, no one felt comfortable even making a minor protest, including James, who was obviously bothered by it, or his other friends, who seemed to be as well.
It was an awkward situation. You had to choose between possibly ruining everyone's fun (including your own) or just sacrificing your own fun to avoid ruining everyone else's.
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