[Trollbabe] Harmed relationships - pg 61
James_Nostack:
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but page 61 of the print edition of Trollbabe says, in effect,
IF (Goal fails) AND (Trollbabe ends at inconvenienced) THEN (any relationships invoked the conflict get killed).
Some questions:
1. Seriously?! Even for social conflicts with Billy the Beggar Boy?
2. When the goal fails, or the roll fails? (For comparison, harm to the Trollbabe seems to be inflicted when a roll fails.)
3. How can this outcome ever occur, mechanically? The Relationship only shows up mechanically on a re-roll, which means the Trollbabe has been inconvenienced already. For the Trollbabe to then fail at the Goal without becoming injured seems . . . mechanically difficult. (I'm assuming, I guess, that once the Relationship shows up, the Trollbabe will still take harm in the usual way. Maybe that's not true, but I can't find any indication in the text.)
James_Nostack:
Hell, I am a very lazy man. The answer is here.
For those too lazy to click through - which would be me, sometimes - the official answer is:
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The "She is currently" column should have Injured in the top box of the Fails section (or rather third one down overall) and Incapacitated in the one below that.
Going through the final column, top to bottom, box by box, think of: (i) foe lying dead, trollbabe grimacing and blowing on a scrape, relationship character (who saved the day) spurting blood but going to live; (ii) foe lying dead, trollbabe spurting blood but going to live, relationship character (who saved the day) pumping his or her fist in the air; (iii) foe not dead, trollbabe spurting blood but going to live, relationship character lying dead; (iv) foe not dead, trollbabe lying unconscious in pool of blood, relationship character spurting blood but going to live, and in this case, the relevant point is that he or she is still mobile/active.
James_Nostack:
Although, come to think of it, #1 and #2 are still viable questions even with the substitution for injured for inconvenienced.
John S:
I remembered that post when I saw your question, but you found it before I could post a reply.
Quote from: James_Nostack on December 02, 2010, 02:09:53 PM
Seriously?! Even for social conflicts with Billy the Beggar Boy?
Should you be using the social conflict rules for Billy the Beggar Boy if there's no risk of dangerous escalation? I can think of plenty of ways a social conflict could get out of control, but then, I've done volunteer work with inmates-- and I've seen kids do a lot of stuff too.
James_Nostack:
John, in Trollbabe sometimes the player will want to declare a Conflict strategically, in order to form a Relationship with that character later on. So, Thora the Trollbabe might go out of her way to squabble with Billy the Beggar Boy simply to befriend him later.
But I think the root of the issue here is that words like "inconvenienced," "injured," and "incapacitated" can be understood to apply in a very, very wide array of fictional circumstances. (Okay, maybe "incapacitated" is a stretch, but I think it could work.) In contrast, "killed" as an outcome seems to suggest a fairly specific fictional context, and I'm wary about having to always ensure that a sufficient threat is lurking around the corner.
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