[D&D4E] Some WOTC encounters
Callan S.:
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that this choice has nothing to do with whether or not they honestly playing to win, but simply for from an interest in the activities of which games A and B are comprised.
If I'm reading you right, Gareth, you seem to include no chance that person A & B are doing anything other than this. You seem to be saying everyone does this? As I said, from my evaluation your confusing your answer on how they choose for the entire spectrum. While I grant some people, even alot of people, do exactly what you say, not all do. The spectrum is wider than that. I can atleast see two ways of choosing.
But if I'm reading right, you don't - both A and B and everyone else chooses by the method you describe. Okay, if that's what your saying, I've heard it. We just don't share enough common ground to talk about the rest of the stuff by my estimate, as all that stuff uses that ground as its foundation.
Anders Gabrielsson:
I know I'm jumping in the middle here, but that doesn't seem to be what he's saying at all.
But what if he is? Can you give an example of someone playing a game (in the context of this discussion) who does it without interest in the activities comprising that game?
Callan S.:
I haven't mentioned anyone compromising the game. I've mentioned people using everything that is there, within the arena of the game, to win. I can recall recently on RPG.net about even online saying people exploit the meta game or some negative term, by reading an opposing corps forum. But then someone else said CCP corp (makers of eve) said that's valid. So you can either stick with the superstitious taboo or you can opt to read opposing corp forums for advantage.
When it's within the arena the maker of the game set, it's valid, it's not compromising the game. It might compromise someones sense of how the game is played, but if they lose and the 'compromiser' wins, they are someone who can't accept they lost. Another account on RPG.net was of a poster who said he got a duel challenge from someone - the poster wasn't very good with his class, but accepted. The thing was, the challenger expected him to do the classic moves of the class, which he knew how to counter. Except the poster didn't know the class or those moves and so, curiously enough, won from being erratic. The challenger exploded into a fit of rage, calling the poster a noob and didn't know how to play. Telling this to the guy who had won.
So sometimes, what seems to be compromising the game, it is really just ones inability to accept reality. It happens sometimes. I remember in warhammer quest losing half my gold to a random fire encounter...which at higher levels is thousands...but I'll hide that little skeleton...
contracycle:
Quote from: Callan S. on August 09, 2011, 04:26:52 PM
If I'm reading you right, Gareth, you seem to include no chance that person A & B are doing anything other than this.
No, obviously not. Persons A & B might have any number of relevant motivations - playing a game because their friend plays it, for example.
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But if I'm reading right, you don't - both A and B and everyone else chooses by the method you describe.
Nonsense. I said nothing of the sort, and nothing that even be contstrued as saying that.
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While I grant some people, even alot of people, do exactly what you say, not all do.
Well, like Anders, I'm not sure why they would play a game, short of being compelled, if they had not interest in its content. But if you are willing to acknowledge that people do actually have content preferences, than I suggest again that describing all conflicts over content as originating from "scrub players" is self-evidently mistaken.
contracycle:
Quote from: Callan S. on August 10, 2011, 12:13:12 AM
I haven't mentioned anyone compromising the game.
Neither did Anders.
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