Started by Web_Weaver, November 12, 2011, 04:46:30 AM
QuoteSo I would see Story Before Participationist as possible only if everyone gets to prune before play, which seems to limit the idea of exploration, or if during a play session everyone gets to have input into the next pruning, which could very easily result in unsatisfying compromise play unless everyone is bought into a very strong vision. And a strong single vision is kind anathema to the idea of exciting potential.
Quote from: Ron Edwards on November 13, 2011, 12:54:50 PMJamie, I think that if you want to discuss your own experiences – which are, effectively, Narrativist play in a deep setting context – then you'll have to jettison Story Before issues from the discussion entirely, and talk about something else. Or if you want to talk about those issues, then you'll have to take off those Story Now lenses entirely.
Quote from: Ron Edwards on November 13, 2011, 12:54:50 PMI think the problem is illustrated by your brief summary of Story Before ("what it means to me" as you put it) and your use of the term Character Exploration, which at the fully abstract, all-CA level of Big Model talk, are both full of wailing siren alarms for me, begging for dissection and discussion and clarification.
Quote from: Paul Czege on November 12, 2011, 09:26:21 PMThe idea of "pruning" as a fundamental contribution is pretty thought provoking. A lot of the conflicts the first time I ever played Universalis were about what should not be allowed in the story. The mechanics worked brilliantly for this, and the resulting story was pretty powerful. In conch-style games that give players uncontestable full-bore story power I've seen a lot of ridiculous stories that players try to convince themselves are awesome. Why are there so few games that recognize the importance of "everyone gets to prune"?
Quote from: Abkajud on November 13, 2011, 11:56:20 AMSo does pruning mean veto power, or the ability to go back and retroactively remove things from the "pool" of available subjects, setting elements, etc.?