[Shady Grove] Worst Game Idea Ever, because Alzheimers isn't FUN. Help!
Sp4m:
I'm not sure what I should do... Should I try to salvage the gameplay, or wipe the board clean and start again?
Are there any ideas out there to make the game mechanics more enjoyable?
*spoiler alert*
The intention of the game is to encourage discussion about the difficult topic of Dementia in family members, to humanize the disease, and to viciously personify it, by having the players make all of the destructive choices.
A competitive puzzle game for 4 players. An unusual twist on common game play, players start the game with little understanding for the reason of play or the meaning of the game. Only through discussion and play are players able to reach informed decisions about the choices they make.
After the game, players are able to tell a unique story about their experience, driven by the choices made during play.
The Shady Grove Narrative Card Game is played once per printing, as the cards are destroyed though play. The purpose of Shady Grove is in part, to uncover the mystery of what story is being told and to encourage discussion. As such, it is only playable once per group, though each player can share it with another group.
Because Shady Grove is a game of discovery, only one player is allowed to know the full text of the game prior to play. To accomplish the managed release of information, the rules of the game are printed on the following pages that are revealed to players as the game plays out.
It sounds kind of intriguing, and the game has a kind of important goal, but I'm really falling short because the experience is lacking.
Play consists of players drawing "memory" cards out of a central deck, and attacking each other by tearing up the memory cards. Players each have a character tied to an identity the Host had as he was growing up: child, teenager, adult, and senior, and these characters each have a Bingo Board of key memories that support the identity.
As play continues, the players all get important memories damaged, and in the process HOPEFULLY discuss and discover the following things:
The players are all pulling from the same memory pile, and are affected by the same things.
they may all be connected
Recurring characters across multiple personae indicate a narrative connection between the players
The players have the option of stopping any time, if they all choose to pass on their turn.
When the game ends (either by player elimination, or by choice) the players look at the cards that remain, as the only memories left after this host's episode of dementia.
My first play test had players kind of pissed because the game was a downer, and they felt tricked into destroying this man's life. thereafter I introduced a mechanic where players share details from their own lives...
As they destroy the memory of the Doctor losing his first patient, the player tells the group about a time they learned something by making a mistake. Neither group was able to figure out how they were connected during play. (child, teen, adult titles are replaced by surprisingly appropriate ingredients).
Unfortunately, this ends up feeling more like Getting to know you Bingo, as the focus of the game moves from the life you're tearing up, to the experiences of the players around the table.
I think my game is just bad. I had a bad feeling while making it, that approaching the topic of Dementia through a game was...radical. I think there's a reason it isn't usually done, because there's an expectation of a game to be fun, and if the game isn't upsetting, then it feels trite.
Jonathan Walton:
Tried to respond to this yesterday and the Forge crashed on me.
Honestly, the game as-is sounds totally interesting and provocative to me, even if it's kind of a downer. Maybe the folks you were playing with didn't appreciate those kinds of games or just didn't grok what you were trying to do? I mean, I don't know them, so I can't really speculate. Honestly, I would push forward to finish a playtest draft (since there's only 4 days left) and see what the peer-reviewers think. I think you're in pretty good company, though, sounding reminiscent of Paul Tevis' Penny for My Thoughts (another Game Chef veteran) and other games from that year (when one of the ingredients was "memory," I think).
Sp4m:
Those are very encouraging words. Thank you.
I think the game does have a fit with the right kind of audience, and somewhere in there, is a balanced play set that would be fun.
Maybe rather than players sharing their own memories, they should tell a story about the Host's life, that is inspired by theirs?
That could keep people focused on the Host, but opens the door to discussion. "That's interesting, what actually happened?"
Mathalus:
You've got an ambitious goal for this game. It is really hard to talk about this kind of thing, but I think it could be really rewarding if you were able to make it easier to do so.
If you want to prevent the "what actually happened" thing, make sure that part of the script is a discussion to not bug folks about that. Or maybe there could be some way that you could elegantly let people talk about this stuff afterward. I don't have a solution. This is hard. Keep trying though. I have high hopes for this game.
jackson_tegu:
I too am excited by the prospects of this game!
I think the "oh, we're all drawing from the same deck, could that have a narrative veneer as well as being very common?" is not very likely to come into play, because, hey, lots of games have everyone drawing from one deck.
If not "fun", exactly, i think this game would be really interesting to play, and i have no issue with wrecking some fictional guy's life, even if i really like him.
Though it may go against your hopes for the game thusfar (that only one player knows the premise and so on), since Mathalus and i live in the same town, we would 90% likely be able to play your game at some point soon (after the competition, sorry) and give you some thoughts on it. Perhaps that could be an inspiration to finish off a version that others could play?
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