[The Coyote Lode] How do I handle race in an Old West Dungeon Crawl Game?
Troy_Costisick:
Heya,
I want to continue developing my Game Chef Game "The Coyote Lode." Here's the link to the GC thread: http://www.indie-rpgs.com/forge/index.php?topic=32933.0 Here's the link to the file: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9KW0-YiNVWqMnVrcnpxZzRVc00/edit
I had to cut a million things out of this to get down to the word count requirement for Game Chef. This turned out to be a good thing. It's made me think hard about the different aspects of the game and how critical they are. Before I go any further, tho, let me just give you a brief description of the game as it stands now:
This game is a one-shot dungeon crawl game set in the Old West after a horrific mining accident wiped out an entire mining company and turned the workers into flesh eating zombies. The object of the game is to pull as much wealth out of the mine without being killed before it floods with toxic water.
It's a lot like ODnD reskinned with an American Old West theme. Obviously, as I expand the game, I'm going to want to include things like Magic. How do I do this without being insensitive? Say I want to have shaman or spirit callers. Obviously those would be associated with the Sioux or Cherokee or another group of Native Americans. I don't want to trivialize these cultures and beliefs, but by it's very nature, a dungeon crawl is trivial. It's not about addressing historical accuracy, prejudice, religion, politics, or anything like that. It's all about killing monsters (undead miners in this case) and taking their stuff.
I don't want to be irreverent toward a group of people but I also don't want to turn this game into Dog Eat Dog. That's not what it's about. Any advice on how to merge classic dungeon crawl tropes like spells, magic, miracles, and artifacts with a very regrettable historical period in America?
Peace,
-Troy
Justin Halliday:
Sounds to me that if you offend everyone equally, it could be okay.
So to extend the magic beyond just Native Americans, you could also have Chinese, Puritans/Preachers (more of a class than a race), and even some kind of Snake-Oil shyster or a Jewish mage like a Kaballist (need more research here).
Then each of these magic races (or classes might be better) would have their own set of spells that match their various mythologies.
Callan S.:
Depends - when the various (christian, was it?) groups called D&D devil worship, they were upset by it - did it bother you to keep playing it and by such, upsetting them? Not sure how native indian culture somehow became more sacred somehow?
It depends on A: Whether as a whole they feel their culture has to be taken very seriously (TM) and B: If you feel any culture that demands to be taken very seriously can't have a little bit of sillification. I mean, what are you gunna have - a dude who summons some ancestor to throw a thunderbolt at the zombies or such? It sounds silly and you already seem to call it silly - its not like your representing some true knowledge of them. Really can't all cultures stand a bit of sillification, or they must all be treated with dread sacredness?
Evergreen:
Do you feel that the earnest belief in shamanic magic and ethereal spirits deserves deference? If you were depicting Native Americans' racial aspects in a cartoonish way, that would be folly and useless, but wielding any supernatural doctrine as a convenient reference for the rules of magic is never, ever oppression.
Also, I've never known a Native American or black individual who felt that emotional guilt on the part of modern whites is really respectable, and for good reason.
Troy_Costisick:
Quote from: Callan S. on April 15, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Depends - when the various (christian, was it?) groups called D&D devil worship, they were upset by it - did it bother you to keep playing it and by such, upsetting them? Not sure how native indian culture somehow became more sacred somehow?
It depends on A: Whether as a whole they feel their culture has to be taken very seriously (TM) and B: If you feel any culture that demands to be taken very seriously can't have a little bit of sillification. I mean, what are you gunna have - a dude who summons some ancestor to throw a thunderbolt at the zombies or such? It sounds silly and you already seem to call it silly - its not like your representing some true knowledge of them. Really can't all cultures stand a bit of sillification, or they must all be treated with dread sacredness?
You guys make some good points. This game is a cartoon, and I'd like to play up the grim and silly humor of the horror-western genre. I think it should be easy to avoid stereotypes if I just focus on the action.
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