Started by rabindranath72, August 19, 2008, 06:18:32 AM
Quote from: Ron Edwards on August 19, 2008, 09:22:32 AMIf you examine the thief and nomad characters in Howard's fiction, you will find that they use Lore quite often. It's usually defensive, or involves some kind of weird item or substance rather than a Bound demon, but it's there. Taurus, certainly the classic example of the professional thief in Howard's fiction, does exactly this in Tower of the Elephant.
Quote from: Ron Edwards on August 19, 2008, 09:22:32 AMIt may help to consider situations in which knowledge, or at least familiarity with demonic and scary stuff, is a better defense than simply fighting it. Despite a lot of he-man rhetoric, Conan often encounters things for which his sword or wits are inadequate. He deals with them by using rituals or interactions which can only be called sorcerous - see Beyond the Black River for his Containment of the swamp devil, or his authority over the vampire in Hour of the Dragon (usually titled Conan the Conqueror).
Quote from: Ron Edwards on August 19, 2008, 09:22:32 AMTry to throw away the idea of "fighter vs. magic-user." In classical sword-and-sorcery, heroes always have at least one foot in the sorcerous zone. It doesn't mean they throw spells or own demons - it means they know about them and can handle them in their own terms.
Quote from: Ron Edwards on August 23, 2008, 10:47:54 AMHere's something that might help: in the canonical fiction, particularly the Conan stories, no one casts spells.?! What?!Really, they don't. Characters like Tsotha-Lanti, Pelleas, Nabonidus, Xaltotun, and I could go on and on from the Conan stories alone, rely on any or all of the following:
QuoteWe'll steal down through the top of the tower and strangle old Yara before he can cast any of his accursed spells on us. At least we'll try; it's the chance of being turned into a spider or a toad, against the wealth and power of the world. All good thieves must know how to take risks.
QuoteHumanity is living by your Golden Rule, whatever that Golden Rule is for you. This is why the central tenant is treating friends and family well. But when you break your own code, for friend, family, yourself, or are caught in any kind of no-win choice, a part of you is wounded by breaking your Golden Rule. If you're dealing with lunkhead caninbal mutants out in the hills, fine, mow them down. But what if it turns out they actually live by a code you respect -- and you still have to mow them down to get to the woman you love? This guys could have been your buddies -- but not in this lifetime -- Ouch! And your sense of living by your own code is threatened, and thus Humanity is risked.
QuoteHey,Works for me. This is now my "point to" thread for the Sorc&Sword Premise inquiry.Best,Ron
Quote from: Vortigern on September 04, 2008, 10:44:03 PMI would say I think potential for losses having to do with sorcerous sacrifice should perhaps stay, but with some sort of rule allowing one to mitigate the risk via some kind of roleplaying or resource expenditure etc. Otherwise sorcerers that keep pace with the classical role models in the genre will, I would think, rapidly descend into the 'madness' or 'utter depravity' of zero. How to work that however I'm not exactly certain on.