Started by Patrice, January 03, 2009, 12:47:59 PM
Quote from: Patrice on January 20, 2009, 08:17:00 AMI'm maybe biased because I feel, I must confess, that Sim is a dead-end in itself (of course it's noooooot the issue please, an answer like "you're wrong, idiot" will totally satisfy me here ).
Quote...decide through Social Contract what we'll be doing and define what actually happened.
Quote from: Patrice on January 21, 2009, 12:23:19 PMI'll try to keep it short then. There are two issues: the MMO and the RP game happening within. In the MMO itself, there's no Exploration. If Exploration is involved, it's in the RP game happening within that it is involved. Then, and it's the second issue, the Exploration happening within the MMO is doomed from the start because it's Sim that will never change the MMO itself, its universe, that's why, if it goes on, it does despite the MMO. When this RP game goes on despite the MMO its only option is to become Narrativist. Why? Because the Exploration happening then MUST happen the way the players like, anyway the players like, basing upon their own issues instead of the game content's one.
Quote from: Wolfen on January 21, 2009, 03:28:51 PMI'm not sure where you're going with the whole point of RP not changing the MMO. RP in TT gaming doesn't change the rules of the game, either. It doesn't have to. There's absolutely nothing doomed about it, because that is the case in all games. You can imagine anything you want in any game, and it has no effect on the text of the game you're playing.
QuoteThe MMO goes on despite the RP
Quote from: Callan S. on January 21, 2009, 04:26:47 PMHi Lance,Quote from: Wolfen on January 21, 2009, 03:28:51 PMIn table top roleplay, you can go and chop that tree down and you are not ignoring any rules in doing so (typically). In a mmorpg, if you say you have chopped down a tree, your just plain ignoring the rule that is that tree. Actually, in most table top games, the player can't just cut the tree down. Normally the player announces his intention to cut down the tree but it doesn't really happen, doesn't become part of the SIS, until the GM approves it. Depending the GM might just wave it past, might request a skill roll or may even explain why cutting down the tree is not possible ("You can't just cut down a tree in broad day light in the middle of city street, you're going to get yourself arrested.").What I am getting at is that in both MMO and tabel top roleplaying, you are often reliant on a consensus building process to insert things into the SIS. Obviously table top is more flexible about such things. But that is just a feature of the medium rather than a principle.
Quote from: Wolfen on January 21, 2009, 03:28:51 PMIn table top roleplay, you can go and chop that tree down and you are not ignoring any rules in doing so (typically). In a mmorpg, if you say you have chopped down a tree, your just plain ignoring the rule that is that tree.
QuoteThe only voting that happens is through system use.