Started by Callan S., August 01, 2010, 03:03:14 AM
Quote from: dugfromthearth on August 01, 2010, 11:01:12 AMjust about every game I know of has rules for making a perception test. you don't normally use it when the character's walk down the street to see if they notice the cars or step in front of traffic.in every game I've played the GM decided when to use tests and when not to. They don't apply the mechanics to every action and every situation.
Quote from: dugfromearth1. determining what is likely or "realistic". We often think something like "a corporation would have a security camera in an area like that". But being fiction, the GM often has to have the enemies doing dumb things to make a game possible.
Quote1. Callan, please provide references to threads or other sources in which someone uses the term "fiction first."
QuoteI currently suspect that you are confounding "fiction first" as a term or idea with playing in this fashion, as opposed to what I think others have used the term for.
QuoteI suggest that this is two things, Murk and Railroading, with the former at the service of the latter. I further suggest that the GM is not playing "from the fiction," as you suggest, but rather "toward his current intended outcome." (Clip out my extended rant of hatred for this way of playing, including frantic jig.) I currently suspect that you are confounding "fiction first" as a term or idea with playing in this fashion, as opposed to what I think others have used the term for.
QuoteOr rather, to distinguish between your criticisms of certain ways to play vs. your desire to show up somebody you really want to scream "wrong wrong" at. I am currently unable to tell which this is. Providing those sources will solve the problem.
Quote from: Frédéric (Demiurge) on August 03, 2010, 11:34:53 AMHi Callan !I'm just wondering if this kind of system isn't working because exploration is driven by scenario prepared before the play.
QuoteI recommend thinking about something that you wrote: your goal to convert the other players. That makes me less confident about the whole endeavor. It's not the same as the more positive situation of people gathering to do what they want even if some of them aren't sure about how to do it exactly. It doesn't lend itself well to the points listed above.