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Title: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 09, 2012, 02:27:24 PM
Heya,

Finally got some inspiration last night, and I'm ready to go.  I'll be using Coyote, Doctor, Lantern, and Mimic as my ingredients.  My plan is to do a one-shot dungeon crawl set in the old West.  Think of it as a mashup between OD&D and Deadlands.  More information as I come up with it :)

Peace,

-Troy


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 09, 2012, 04:21:28 PM
Okay.  Some initial thoughts.

I want tot go in an old school renaissance direction with this.  Nothing fancy.  Just something I'd want to play with some guys down at the new game store that opened up in town.  So that means:

1- random stats.  I think I will have three simple stats: body-mind-spirit.  That should cover everything.  How about you roll 3d6 and massing one per Stat?  I think would work.

2- simple resolution system.  Here is where I'll start: roll 3d6.  Add your relevant Stat.  Beat a target value plus enemy Stat if applicable.

3- dungeon crawling one shot scenario.  The object will be to explore the coyote lode and mine gold before it floods.  The GM will color in rooms as they flood.  That makes the map in the book usable only once.

4- monsters. Some kind of mining accident will lead to undead miners roaming the load.   So it will be kind of a zombie game.  Maybe opium was involved?  Mining chemicals they used back then?

Okay.  That's a start!  Let's see where I can take it from here.


Peace.

Troy


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Sp4m on April 09, 2012, 05:27:13 PM
I'd like to see some more "one time use" traits in the game too. Maybe events and treasures in the mine permanently change the players as they are encountered? Maybe the character sheets are marked in permanent ink rather than pencil?

There's a lot of fun to be had in a Dungeon crawl, but what can you do capitalize on the idea that this might only be played once?


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 10, 2012, 01:32:30 AM
I'd like to see some more "one time use" traits in the game too. Maybe events and treasures in the mine permanently change the players as they are encountered? Maybe the character sheets are marked in permanent ink rather than pencil?

There's a lot of fun to be had in a Dungeon crawl, but what can you do capitalize on the idea that this might only be played once?

That's a good question.  I think I'll set it up to where every ten or fifteen minutes, a room in the mine floods.  The GM will be instructed to use a marker or pen to shade in the room that has filled with water and is no longer accessible to the PCs.  I also think that since the dungeon is preset with monsters and whatnot, replayability will be very limited.  The best part of a dungeon crawl is not knowing what's around the next corner.  Once you know where everything is, it's kind of anti-climactic to play IMO.  I like the idea of marking character sheets in pen.  I might see if I can find a way to use that :)

Peace,

-Troy


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: PeterBB on April 10, 2012, 02:38:16 AM
Real world minutes or in-game minutes? Either is cool, but I actually really like the idea of having a real life countdown going on.


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 10, 2012, 04:31:05 AM
Real world minutes or in-game minutes? Either is cool, but I actually really like the idea of having a real life countdown going on.

Great question!  I think I'm going to make it real world minutes.  Every ten, a room floods.  The GM will need a timer of some kind.  I think that will raise the tension.  I envision a game taking about five hours tolay, so that's around thirty rooms.  A fair size for a dungeon. 

Now, I just have to figure out how to work in a reward system of some sort.

Peace,

Troy


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 10, 2012, 05:22:12 AM
New things added:

5- player roles.  There will be a mapper, caller, and treasurer.

6- troupe play.  I anticipate a high mortality rate, so each player will start by making three characters.

7- classes.  There  will be three classes: gunslinger, doctor, and gambler.

8- more monsters.   There will be monsters other than umdead.  Wendigos perhaps.

9- feats.  I'll make a short list of feats for the characters.  It will be mostly stock western tropes like fanning the hammer and trick shots.


More as it comes to me!

Peace,

Troy


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 10, 2012, 08:33:11 AM
I am quickly finding that 3000 words isnt very many.   I'm going to habe to scale back some of my ambition here.


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 10, 2012, 11:46:10 AM
Finished my first sketch of the mine today along with a preliminary bestiary for the GM.  Will post a link to the map when I can.  Mimic is being used as a monster that rembles a streak of gold or silver in the mine. 

One question I have though is whether or not to have levels for the characters?  I intemd this as a kind od OSR game, so evem tho this is a one shot, should it habe levels for advancement?

Peace,

Troy


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: PeterBB on April 10, 2012, 12:39:41 PM
Real world minutes or in-game minutes? Either is cool, but I actually really like the idea of having a real life countdown going on.

Great question!  I think I'm going to make it real world minutes.  Every ten, a room floods.  The GM will need a timer of some kind.  I think that will raise the tension.  I envision a game taking about five hours tolay, so that's around thirty rooms.  A fair size for a dungeon. 

Now, I just have to figure out how to work in a reward system of some sort.

Peace,

Troy

Awesome! I am really looking forward to this.


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 11, 2012, 01:35:37 AM
Here's the link to the map: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9KW0-YiNVWqaEFyZEdtcWpwenM/edit

Let me know if it works! :)

Peace,

-Troy


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 11, 2012, 07:44:28 AM
Rough draft is basically done.  On to revising and testing!


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 11, 2012, 11:48:59 AM
Okay, I think I have everything finished now.  I'm probably going to max out Jonathan's and Mike's tolerance on word count, and that's after I cut out a bunch of things I wish I could have kept! 

It will be 33 pages long, but almost all of it is character sheet and map-related junk.  The actual text took up less than 8 pages in my Word document.  Anyway, I'll probably post it in the morning.  Wish me luck!

Peace,

Troy


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 12, 2012, 01:45:24 AM
Heya,

The game is done and ready for sharing!  Here's the link to the PDF: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9KW0-YiNVWqMnVrcnpxZzRVc00

Hope anyone who reads this gets a kick out of it.  Don't be surprised if I talk about this game some more in the Game Development forum.  Thanks everyone :)

Peace,

-Troy

PS: Let me know if the link doesn't work.


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Mathalus on April 13, 2012, 09:27:36 AM
The link works great for me.

Iíve only skimmed your document, but I have plenty of dumb questions. :)

Do you start playing all three characters, or do you play one character and then when that character dies, you bring in the reinforcements?

Is there and mechanical difference between the gunslinger and the gambler?

Why not save us some time and write the equipment that is automatic on the character sheet. If it gets used up, cross it off.

To save even more time, why donít you just make three character sheets. One for Gunslingers, One for Gamblers, and one for Doctors. Give them a list of appropriate feats and have them circle a few. That would speed up the onerous character creation process.

Rather than letting zombies be controlled by the GM, why donít you let players go nuts and attack their own party. Thatís sort of a fun release. Then, when their zombie dies, they can come back as a character. That way, they can choose their preference (run away as a zombie and screw around for a bit or attack the party quickly and really ham it up, so they can come back sooner).


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 13, 2012, 04:17:10 PM
Heya,

Excellent questions!

Do you start playing all three characters, or do you play one character and then when that character dies, you bring in the reinforcements?

In the first paragraph under "How do I make a Character?" it says: You will play one [character] at a time. The other two are held in reserve at the townís guild hall. 

Is there and mechanical difference between the gunslinger and the gambler?

Not in this version.  Because of the word count limitation, I had to remove a lot of mechanics.  The difference between gunslingers and gamblers did not survive.  But I still feel the color of the different character types will give the players a big enough springboard to make them different.

Why not save us some time and write the equipment that is automatic on the character sheet. If it gets used up, cross it off.

To save even more time, why donít you just make three character sheets. One for Gunslingers, One for Gamblers, and one for Doctors. Give them a list of appropriate feats and have them circle a few. That would speed up the onerous character creation process.

All of this would have been really good if I had the time. I'm actually out of town right now, and unable to put any significant time into game design.  But yeah, when I go to expand this game, these are all brilliant suggestions that I will make every effort to incorperate! :)

Rather than letting zombies be controlled by the GM, why donít you let players go nuts and attack their own party. Thatís sort of a fun release. Then, when their zombie dies, they can come back as a character. That way, they can choose their preference (run away as a zombie and screw around for a bit or attack the party quickly and really ham it up, so they can come back sooner).

Giving the character to the GM has a very old school feel to it.  Turning a player from an ally to an adversary is awesome, but not in the flavor I am looking to capture.  Plus, if there is a TPK (and I imagine there will be), what then?  I think letting the GM have some fun with a character is cool.  What I need to do, though, is figure out some way to redeem a zombie character.  I think that might add a fun element to the game.

Peace,

-Troy


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Mathalus on April 13, 2012, 08:26:40 PM
If there is a TPK, then you get to follow around a bunch of zombies and their antics for a while until they accidentally drown themselves in a deep ditch or are killed by another monster. Hilarious! Anyway, I understand that you are going for a different feel.


Title: Re: [The Coyote Lode] My 2012 Game Chef Entry
Post by: Troy_Costisick on April 14, 2012, 04:25:41 AM
If there is a TPK, then you get to follow around a bunch of zombies and their antics for a while until they accidentally drown themselves in a deep ditch or are killed by another monster. Hilarious! Anyway, I understand that you are going for a different feel.

That does sound like a fun game.   The GM could even introduce other heroes for the zombie PCs to fight.  Maybe someone else will pick it up and run with that idea!